Welcome to Call to Action

Welcome to The Gleaner’s Call to Action blog.

The Gleaner will be publishing a series of front page editorials covering critical issues running from this Sunday, December 6 until Wednesday, December 9 and we want to hear from you!

Jamaicans have for decades complained about the state of our country – its poor economic performance, its poverty, its poor management, its  crime,  its violence.  Many people have become fed-up with the seeming inaction on the part of those we elect and the bureaucracy we pay to put things right.

Things cannot continue as they are certainly not in these exceptional times. In a series of four editorials The Gleaner is calling Jamaicans to action, to engage in a debate on the kind of country we want to live in and to hold to account those who have abrogated their responsibility to manage and to insist on a radical overhaul in the way we conduct our affairs. For it can’t continue this way.

Follow the editorials and let us start the discussion.

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24 Responses to “Welcome to Call to Action”

  1. Yaneek Page says:

    The Gleaner has caught my attention with its forthcoming Call to Action series of front page editorials. I certainly hope the editorials will draw inspiration from the ferocious crime tsunami that has unleashed dark waves of fury on our society. Crime is our most urgent challenge, as the worsening violent events are wreaking havoc on every facet of Jamaican life. The time for action is indeed NOW!

  2. Barry E. Mused says:

    Despite the Government’s economic crunch – I believe there should be an examination of the Administration’s refusal to honour its obligations under MOU2 – specifically the payment of the balance due to workers as at April 2009. Even if payment cannot be made now – the Government should accept that it has defaulted on the terms and go to the bargaining table to indicate when and how it will be prepared to pay what is outstanding. The manner in which this issue has been treated is absolutely unacceptable. No wonder the international rating agencies are concerned about the Governments’ possible default of it’s loans/commitments – hence the downgrades!

  3. Lennox Parkins says:

    #1 .I know most people in Jamaica would agree that CRIME is the # 1 Social, Economic & Political problem in Jamaica. If the Govt & people solve this, then the Economic solutions will automatically follow with inflows of local & foreign investments, better credit ratings, tourism and greater confidence. The govt MUST throw as much resources as possible to this problem.. Use the Army & Police more tactically, without any annoucements.

    #2 Jamaicans both local & overseas MUST find ways of helping the less fortunate in our society, especially school children who due to poverty is unable to fully attend school. Educating our young people & providing Skills Training is the future. Instead of complaining, let us find a youth who is struggling.. help them with school supplies, transport fares & lunch money, plus mentoring & caring. It is not in vain !. Think how many of us could have fallen by the wayside, if it was not for a parent, a neighbour, a teacher, a pastor etc who showed us that they cared enough to encourage & support us. We need more than ever to return to those days.

    Lennox Parkins
    Toronto, Canada

  4. The issue of crime in Jamaica is threatening to wipe out all the positive gains that the wonderful record of the nation’s athletes, crowned by the Bolt phenomenon, has achieved. It is clear to many of us who watch our homeland from far distances that this epidemic of violence anbd indiscipline has deep roots in political dishonesty so it is up to the leadership of the political arena to start the process of cleansing by healing themselves. If a criminal can hold the laws of the nation hostage by threatening to unleash mayhem if he or she is brought to book then the problem is far from being solved. Time it is said heals all wounds but Jamaica is running out of time to reverse the blight of crime on every facet of our wonderful national experience. Jamaica has always struck me even as a young child when I lived at home as an island nation with a continental spirit. We need to recover our courage and restore the family values and strength that made us what we were before the hurricane of disenchantment set in.

  5. kenarthur says:

    This iniative by the Gleaner is welcome and is long overdue. For too long the media in Jamaica has kept silent on critical matters that negativly affect the country.I certainly look forward to constant highlight by the gleaner of matters critical to our survival and development that will place pressure on those organisations that have been place in the position to manage and make the right decisions to ensure a healthy life of the citizens of this country.

  6. Conrad E. "Atom" Jones says:

    Just hope the intelligent suggestions will bear fruit

  7. karlene Mitchell says:

    My deepest concern is the crime rate and the somewhat inability to really nip it in the bud. People are seriously scared and want to see measures that would alleviate this monster plaguing our beloved country.

    It cannot be business as usual. The time for serious action was the day before yesterday, but I do not believe that today is still too late. Let’s TAKE SERIOUS ACTION NOW!!!

  8. karlene Mitchell says:

    yes

  9. The upcoming Gleaner call to action series may just be the catalyst for national transforming.

    Through Power106 Radio Station a subsidiary of the Gleaner company millions of listeners every day and night are glued to their radios and computers to get the latest happening on the ground in Jamaica. However like a “Pressure Cooker” the programs only serve as an effective release valve for the social and economic tension which only verbal recognition with very little if any action following.

    My question to the “Call to Action Series” is HOW?

    Who will do what when inclusive of key performance indicators with real-time risk mitigation all being done in an open and transparent way for NATIONAL ownership of the process.

    I recently watched the BARACK OBAMA story and his voyage from Illinois to the White House and it demonstrates to me in no uncertain way and without a doubt it is time for a RE-ENGINEERING of the Jamaican CONSTITUTION.

    We should have a prime minister or president whose sole responsibility is to the PEOPLE and not a PARTY. Additionally there should only be 14 members of parliament excluding the Prime Minister of President who is Elected by the people on a separate ballot.

    Ministries must be run by qualified executives employed to produce according to the Mission and Vision of the entity with 6 month performance evaluation forums which are open door with them fielding questions similar to a Publicly listed company.

    Ministers should concentrate on the development of their PARISH similar to that done by state governors in the USA.

    Respectfully – “It is Action for Change time”.

  10. Elizabeth says:

    Jamaicans love to complain about the way the ‘system’ a run. But I think our country will never get better if we do not recognize that it is the people that make the system. As long as the people have that corrupt state of mind that allow them to think that they can get away with breaking the law, It will never get any better. If Jamaica is to change, every Jamaican will have to change.

  11. Moyah Gibson says:

    Dear Editor,
    I totally support your “Call to action” as stated on the front page of the Gleaner today, Sat. Dec. 5, 2009. I would like to re-submit the item noted below, “Doing Good – Try it!” that was published in the Gleaner on August 12, 2008, since it is in line with your request for us to be “part of this positive movement.” The item expresses my thoughts and feelings, and it is in my own words. You have my permission to use it in any way that you wish. Like you, I am a Jamaican who wants the best for my country. You could re-publish the item in full, or use little parts of it as quotations at the end of something over a period of time as part of my contribution to your movement. Please let me know what you decide. In case you need to call, my telephone number is 702-2956.
    Please do not publish my street address – only my email.
    With many good wishes,
    Moyah Gibson (Miss)
    Violin Teacher
    Email: moyahg2@yahoo.com

    DOING GOOD – TRY IT!
    By Moyah A. Gibson

    It feels good to be good. Try it!
    It feels good to brighten someone’s life
    by doing a good deed. Try it!
    It feels good to be generous and anonymous. Try it!
    It feels good to replace someone’s tears
    with smiles. Try it!
    It feels good to share one’s talent with others
    whether there is monetary reward or not.
    It just feels good. Try it!

    If each one of us did just one good deed per day – no matter how small – and turned just one person’s frown into a smile each day, soon the feeling would catch on and everyone would be smiling. Like a smile, a kind word doesn’t cost anything.
    The best way to get someone to smile is not to tell them to smile, but to make them WANT to smile by saying or doing something positive for them. When someone is ill or depressed, it takes more effort to turn their frowns into smiles. Being pleasant and showing compassion and understanding, is a good start in helping them to shoulder their burden.
    We each have our own crosses in life and we cannot bear another person’s cross for him or her. However, we can help them to develop the strength needed to carry their cross by showing care and concern. Some crosses are more obvious than others. If you have never done anything good for anyone in your life, you can start today. Try it!

  12. ESTEBAN AGOSTO REID says:

    Looking forward to the forthcoming editorials!!

  13. Franz Garcia says:

    Dear Gleaner,

    I firstly want to congratulate and commend you for this excellent initiative! Like so many others I have become increasingly frustrated by the deterioration of this beautiful country, and it has become the main subject of conversation in my circle of friends and family. I therefore welcome this opportunity to share with you a few practical ideas that we have been discussing.

    Crime – Invite the people to engage in the fight against crime
    - Put up calendars of Jamaica’s most wanted criminals on the walls of every church, police station, rum bar and cook shop. As each criminal is caught the information goes out and the public can cross out the picture on the calendar. At the end of the year (or earlier) all the pictures should be crossed out.
    - Communities need to revive their community watch patrols. All over Jamaica, people have to stand up and say no to crime!
    - Have community meetings with the local police where citizens can voice their concerns about crime and law enforcement. We need to publicly air the wrongdoings of the few!
    - Make prisoners work for the country while they are incarcerated. Making bricks, fixing roads, preparing agricultural land, preparing the island for hurricanes, etc. The prisoners will have less time to plan their next crimes, make themselves useful in the reconstruction of the country and save important tax dollars of the government.
    - Oh, and please take all the corrupt police off the streets, preferably they should go to prison. Maybe we could put the pictures and badge numbers of corrupted police on public display?

    Educate all Jamaicans! Ignorance is one of the primary reasons for violent crime in Jamaica.
    - We all know that early childhood (between the ages of 0-5) is the most critical stage in the development of a child. Start children early in school. Provide school uniforms free of cost to poor families. Provide after schools facilities for children where they can play and do their homework in a safe and calm environment with proper tutorship and supervision.
    - Provide skills training to all teachers in their subject areas and importantly teach them how to be good educators of children with special needs. This is crucial if we are to address the under performance of Jamaican boys.
    - History and philosophy should be compulsory courses at primary and secondary school.
    - Address the adult illiteracy. Churches should open in the evenings and help adults to learn how to read and write.
    - Access to information is so important. Can all Jamaicans read and understand what I am writing now? The Gleaner should consider producing a daily or weekly paper in SIMPLE English that could be easily understood by the adult learner summarizing the daily news and debates in Jamaica.

    Give all Jamaicans Dignity! Too many citizens are deprived of basic needs such as having access to clean water and a sanitation facility.
    - Clean water and proper sanitation facilities. Surely, as a middle income country all Jamaicans should have access to clean water and have a toilet. Sadly this is not the case. One in five Jamaicans in the urban areas do not have access to a toilet. In many inner city communities young girls are defecating in public – this is neither dignified nor safe and it must be stopped!
    - There is no good reason for a country like Jamaica to have water and sanitation issues. Clearly the water and sanitation is inefficiently managed.

    There are many more practical solutions to Jamaica’s problems but please accept this as my two cents to the debate and I look forward to reading the views of your readers. I can only hope that the elected leaders of Jamaica will listen to the voices of their people and consider some of the solutions proposed. After all, many heads are better than one. Most importantly I hope they will help the people organize themselves to collective action. I cannot stress this enough – the time for talk has long since past. We have analyzed the problem, we know the solution and now it is time to take action. The government needs to help us get organized and we need to help the government implement and enforce the plans.

  14. Sunny says:

    Jamaica is becoming, or has become, a ‘Rogue State’, it seems, that our leaders; Prime Minster, Members of Parliament, council officials …etc can only be elected with the help of the criminal elements within our society. Consequently, they are forever beholden to them. The real seat of power of this country lies not in our parliament, but in the hands of the Dons that control Garrison enclaves, and elected official’s dubious business associates. This parasitic relationship permeates from the very top to the bottom of our society; the man in the street soon quickly see how things run, and believe this is the norm.
    Also, Jamaicans love affair with remittances from abroad has, in general, kept the economy afloat over the years; however, this seems to have engendered a reluctance to seek real and lasting solution to our economic plight. This ad hoc solution means that very shortly we could find ourselves going ‘Cap in hand’ to countries such as Haiti for financial assistance.
    Perhaps one solution we should be looking at is Jamaica being run by a foreign entity, such as the government of Barbados; we have already sold everything we once own –natural resources included, to foreigners, so why not be governed by them.
    Regards,

    Sunny
    Toronto, Canada

  15. Tara says:

    FINALLY! I myself have been gathering people to do a video PSA calling for people to wake up and realise that the Government works for us! That we elect them, our taxes pay them & we DO NOT hold anyone of them accountable.

    I am releived to see that the Gleaner is stepping up and stating that there NEEDS to be accountability and a change in the public-sector where their pay/bonuses/entitlements are performance-based….not a given.

    I pray that our people will come together and demand a change or we are without hope.

    My voice will be heard and I look forward to the continuation of this series

  16. Maurice says:

    Today’s editorial misses the point.It is the political leadership which is the cause of all that is complained about. The public service didn’t retreat…when permanent secretaries independence did not suit the politicians they were made became contract officers dismissible at the whim of the minister.

    The responsibility for failure,incompetence and corruption lies with the politics and politicians of this country. Focusing on the public service as if it can fix itself with out the the PM and crew wanting it fixed is delusional.

    Have a talk with any lower to mid level public servant from customs for example, ask them about their dealings with with our politicians. Perhaps you should find out what happened to that public servant who exposed J.A.G. Smith. Did he get any public commendation?

    I agree we cant continue this way. But let us call to account the people really responsible for this mess. they are the ones who fly out their comrades to US hospitals instead of fixing our hospitals for the rest of us.

  17. Cleveland says:

    The comment by Edward Chin-Mook as it relates to qualification is very interesting. This same point was mentioned in a previous forum with no response.
    Based on the very poor track record of many of the previous and current members of parliament, and the lackeys they appoint, it should be that these postions of such responsibility must have specific job descriptions with clear, non-negotiable standards of education, experience and performance. No one should be given a position based on mere party affiliation.
    Persons nominated to fill these essential positions must pass a public, unbiased scrutiny of the qualifications and abilities they will bring to these positions. In addition, as senior managers of “our” business, there should be a system or format of anuual or bi-annual appraisal of their performance, linked to salaries and perqs as in the private sector.
    Until we can find a way to get accountability into the political process we will forever be plagued with underperforming, under-qualified persons more interested in their own political ambitions and personal gain, than managing a portfolio to be efficient and productive.

  18. Dean says:

    I am certain that it is no mistake that your “Call to ACTION” is placed exactly beside the photograph of a woman applying the “rod of correction” to a child.
    Just above the above-mentioned display, is your Headline, “Guns for hire”. In my humble opinion the treatment being applied to the disobedient child, should also be applied to Police personnel acting in a manner contrary to the oaths they took, upon their decision to become a part of the country’s law enforcement services.

    If you have a garden of vegetables, one would assume that you should be reaping vegetables that you have sown. If for whatever reason, that garden is not properly cared for, weeds will grow among the vegetables and can sometimes overpower the vegetables. The only way to rid the garden of the weeds is to pull them out, root and all. If you make the mistake of just chopping of their heads, they will spring up again and dominate the garden.
    The same “principle” has to be applied to our security forces and parliament. “Weeds”, corrupt police officers and politicians, must be “rooted out” and dealt with accordingly.

    For too long the inhabitants of this country has sat back and allowed a few so called “educated individuals”, spitting out plat-formed garbage to the populace, to manipulate and degrade our society, while they deplete our resources on wanton expenditure.
    Successive parties are doing their best to dig the country into deeper crevices of poverty, while we listen to nonsense such as “youthfull exuberance”, “I follow instructions” and “I don’t live in squalor”.

    No one is ever found to be “criminally responsible” or whatever protocol calls such misbehaviour. Notwithstanding the fact that billions of tax payers money along with funds that should be employed in the betterment of the Jamaican people are “wasted”.
    The “Time for Action” has long passed and this writer is tired of lip service.

    This country should firstly re-construct its Constitition to ensure that the “servants” whom the Jamaican people choose to carry out its sovereign duty, do so in a manner that is inline with the best interest of the people. They must be held accountable for their actions.

    Secondly, the garrison mentality that exists in our country must be likened to “slavery” and be abolished, once and for all.

    Thirdly, we must have a vision for our country to move forward in the next ten years and such vision must be made plain and shown to every Jamaican, including those in the diaspora.

    The scripture tells us “without a vision, the people perish”. One of the detriments of a “lack of vision” and “party mentality”, is that if a government in power starts a project that seemingly has the potential to benefit the Jamaican people, if that party loses the next election, that project is abandoned and “pushed aside”, because the project has to be “built by labour” or “heavy manners” or some other party connotation. The Jamaican people is once again “taken for a ride”.

    Corruption at every level must be exposed and rooted out with all malice. It is a cancer in any society and must be dealt with accordingly. Injustice is another poison which must be irradicated from the “body”. Bureaucracy and “selfishness” cannot be tolerated. What is allowed to be aired on our radios, television and in the public transportation system has brought our society to a new “low”, so why are you surprised when students are having sex in the back of these public transportations, when they should be focusing their energies on becoming the next generation of leaders readying themselves to take their rightful places in society.

    The “servants” whom we gave the mandate to run our country have allowed these things to happen by creating such an environment for lewd music “trash” to be played over the air because of the absence of any governance, but we must not speak “ill” of them, for they are “Honourable Men / Women”.

    If we continue to do what we have always done, we will continue to get what we have always gotten.

    It is time for a new paradigm, a new way of thinking, a new way of doing. We can be all that we want to be and more, if we just believe and stop waiting on a hand-out, “wah gwaan boss, do a ting fi mi nuh?” “yu no sih seh nutten naah gwaan?”
    Jamaica is much too rich in resources and vibrant individuals to be labeled the “murder capital” of the world, it is an insult to God, who has blessed us so richly.

    We need men and women with the highest standards of moral to rise up and take back this country from “donmanship” and corruption. Jamaica has the potential to be the absolute jewel in the Caribbean, but it starts with each individual, there must be discipline in the homes, schools, our public transportations, and places of work. It requires sacrifice “obedience” to be disciplined, nothing else will do, nothing else can do. God did not say “these are the ten suggestions” no he said “these are the ten commandments” it means therefore that one who breaks the law shall be subjected to the requirements of the law. As a matter fact one does not “break” the law, we either abide by the law, or we “confirm” the law. In the true sense of the word that is what we do, we confirm it, you don’t believe me? take yourself to the highest building you know and jump, then tell me what happens to you after. You do not “break the law” you confirm it, because as sure as I am that night follows day, you shall fall. It is the law of causation or “cause and effect”.

    My friends, God is not mocked, what ever you sow, so shall you reap, in this life and the next. Do not think too highly of these individuals we have put over us to govern, they are “weak vessels” and will crack. What we need are “principles” tested by time, handed down to us throughout the ages by the Ancient of Days. Whenever these “principles” are being inculcated in our daily activities, from parliament to the streets, then and only then will there be the change that is necessary for our country to turn around. There is absolutely no other way. To know peace is to know Christ, no Christ, no peace.

    Thank you.

  19. S. Lindsay says:

    Jamaica is such a beautiful country, however crime has forced us to think otherwise. The current police force needs massive restructuring, in all department. The people need to regain confidence in the police if that doesnt happen soon we will see no changes in the present situation.

  20. Julette says:

    My concern is regarding indiscipline and of course the number one problem, I read on-line recently an article where the Mayor of Kingston (Desmond Mckenzie) had arguments with members of the security force, claiming that they were taking too long for people to get iside the venue for the JLP conference and when an Inspector intervened he brushed him off and told him ‘me no waan hear nutten’ and acting in a disorderly manner, all this was happening in front party supporters, Now as leader of the party what example is he setting the Police from my understanding were just doing their job, they had to search every individual who entered the stadium and thats what they were doing, I guess he would have preferred if guns, knives, icepick was brought in his behaviour is totally un-acceptable, the media published and no one took action the country wont be better having leaders like these that’s why a lot of us Jamaicans who migrated have to think twice no where else in the world these corrupt leaders could lead.

  21. BOB says:

    I had said my piece time and time again.. and I will continue to say it… what we need in Jamaica is a total RE-DRAFTING of the CONSTITUTION.With the entire imput of the country, every body should have their voices heard. in the new constitution.. and it should be simple and streamlined.. where every body can understand it.. just like they know that for one to get a loaf of bread he/she have to work to get money to buy it, as simple as that… unlike what we have now where politicians and those of us who can read and write are able to do criminal act and then hide behind the constitution.. even when the constitution does not support our action!… But its because so much of us cant read to be able to understand it .. thats why politiciand and others can get away with so much in the name of those who cant read….

    Here are a few highlights .. of what I would like to see in a NEW CONSTITUTION.

    1) All jamaicans have the right to free education from kindi garden up to college.Insecondary through college is where you learn your skill, once you graduate .. you cannot migrate to a foreign country to work for 10 years.. with exception…

    2) Every Jamaican must have Free HEALTH CARE.. all pregnant mothers must be given pre natal care right through their pregnancy. and they must be followed up until the child is either ready for kindy garden or pre maternal..mental illness should not have any stigma attach to it. it should be a part of the health care regime..

    3The CONSTITUTION CANNOT DESCRIMINATE AGAINST ANY JAMAICANS REGARDLESS OF THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTION AND COLOR OR CREED…

    4) THERE SHALL BE PROTECTION IN THE CONSTITUTION FOR ANDYCAPPED PERSON…

    5)There must be a Minimum sentences set for all crimes..for ordinary citizens..
    except for Politicians, Police Officers, Judges, Lawyers. and Civil Servants. who are in Authority in Enforcing any rules or Laws… The Penalties for these people, should they committed any crimes .. these people must be sentence to 10 times that of what the Minimum ordinary sentence is… This is to set a deterrence .. so we do not fall back in what we are now… the police must investigate crimes to its end.. we want to see more crime solve by investigation not by policing killing and claim they solve crime…

    6)In the CONSTITUTION.there should be provision to have foreign law enforcement team to work with us . on our request..

    7)In the CONSTITUTION. there must be stated that all treaty must be fully read explained to the public.. before signing.. or ratify..
    our parliamentarians and lawyers must asked all question on all wording in treaties . and make sure they get full answer.. no ambiguity. every thing must be clear as going to buy a pound of sugar… once all is cleared and the public get it read it asked any question they don’t understand , and all is cleared .. then our legislators get the go ahead to signed and ratified. it. those treaty cannot be updated automatically with out first consulting us. and have the people understand those updates…
    we need nothing to be left to chance.. we need a well educated society.. where we will be prosperous.. because we understand more and know how to apply ourselves.. and make the lease mistake as possible…

    8) All Jamaicans mush have a (SIN CARD)SOCIAL INSURANCE NUMBER. A HEALTH CARD.

    9)Every parcel of land in Jamaica must be surveyed. and be given a number and that number will serve as the address of that lot.. so that mean every Jamaicans must have an address . this is how the tax system will be able to be effective…

    10) All Jamaicans must file a tax return mandatory whether you worked or not… the penalty for not filing your tax return should be five year in prison and an assessment.

    11) the government must every 6 month give an up date on the state of the economy..

    12.all utility must stay in state control.. even though they will have to run like any other business to bring in revenue for the state.. WATER, LIGHT, TELECOMMUNICATION.ALONG WITH THE POLICE , HEALTH CARE .ALL SHOULD FOR M PART OF OUR NATIONAL SECURITY.. THUS THEY CANNOT BE IN PRIVATE HANDS…

    13)FIRE ARMS.all Jamaicans should be allowed to be able to apply for the position of them… hand gun should be restricted.. shot gun can be allowed. one should need special permit to get hand gun. and the terms should be do rigorous.. that should one get caught contravening the rules they will automatically get 10 years in prison.. and loose there right to own any firearm for 10 years after their prison sentence.

    All what I stated must be included in the NEW CONSTITUTION. This is my contribution to this call to action… I still can be tapped for more…

  22. Minett Lawrence says:

    This call to action can really work if we take it to the people. Ordinary Jamaicans with useful ideas and contributions can participate in a Gleaner sponsored all-island “town hall” debate where we share our views and solicit feedback from the populace. The action items or plans can be put to the political directorate in whatever form is best. This would pressure MPs to be more responsive to the needs of their constituents, and the process could see other leaders moving to the fore. I would happily participate in such a process.
    Minlaw

  23. Alton Thelwell says:

    I am convinced that our real problem is with our politians,they are not truly committed to change. They talk from one side of their mouth,I sometimes wonder if they are following what the scriptures said, ” what your right hand know, your left hand should have no clue.” This is obvious in the results after much debate an potential change (Suggested not realized). I am most dissapointed with Mr. Golding, it looked like I really don’t know this man,his affluent gestures for change had me all wide eyed, can’t sleep, it was really comming,yes someone who really cared and has the political ambition to make us proud Jamaicans. What a paradigm shift came as soon as he was elected!

    Up to to day, all the talk about solutions for crime,still scrambling. Please can’t we give some educated “rich people” who have Jamaica’s interest at heart the country to run. They do not want to gain anything, they just want better for the people of Jamaica. I know they are proud of the Jamaican’s achievements, I hear them rejoiced as we win medals and put on a pedastal on the world stage.

    I know some of you aren’t really intrested in the profit margins, because when you look at the bottom line you could get more profit if that kind of money was on Government Paper. This is a request for the upper class to get involved in politics( no debt to the garrisons, no debt to people who do not mean us any good.)

  24. Angeletta says:

    Let’s see where this goes.

    We need more trying to help ourselfs and not expecting the Government to do everything for us.

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francine Posted by: francine December 4, 2009 at 8:08 pm